Hello and welcome to the Byron York show. This is the podcast where we don't really do a lot of chit chat to begin with

so our guest today is representative Mark Meadows from North Carolina you see him a lot on Fox News.

Probably see him less on MS NBC.

Are you ever on MS NBC?

I am occasionally on MS NBC, but it's not normally my go-to place of media engagement.

I do CNN some, yeah.

But they would probably see me more on Fox and we do that more often than others.

Well, thank you very much for joining us.

And as we speak yesterday the Attorney General William Barr set off a

firestorm. I was watching, I didn't know it was going to be a firestorm but he said that spying did occur during the 2016

campaign spying on figures in the Trump campaign.

Now that's something you and a small group of other

representatives, Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan and a few others, have been looking

into for a long time. So did you see that? I did I saw it. I mean obviously I've seen the the firestorm since those words were uttered. Well before the firestorm. Yeah. What is your reaction when you just watch it and you first hear

what he has said well it didn't shock me yeah mainly because Byron you know that

Jim Jordan and I primarily have been suggesting that there has been surveillance of Trump

associates and people associated with the Trump campaign. And we've been saying that for two years and widely mocked by a number of

individuals in the media is being this conspiracy that's not supported by fact that you know me well

enough that almost everything that I share publicly has some element of fact to support it. And so I wasn't shocked, you

know, using the S word, you know, if you want to call it surveillance or or you just use surveillance twice yeah i'm trying to use

surveillance only because uh... uh... i see both of them as really critical components that can be used interchangeably.

However, some people think of spies being a foreign spy.

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