IVF is not about babies. IVF is about on-demand designer babies shipped worldwide.

What is the rule for children's rights? There is one rule.

Rule is adults do hard things for kids. If you are forcing a child to sacrifice for you,

you are violating the rights of the child, and that is where every adult should stand in the way.

One of the most painful things in a child's life is if they've lost their mom or dad.

Cerragacy splices what should be one woman, a mother, into three purchasable and optional women.

So excited today to have on Katie Faust on the podcast, who is the founder of the organization

Dem Before Us and the author of the book Them Before Us, and has done some amazingly important work

on children's rights, which don't get talked about enough. And we're going to deep dive this,

we're going to go through some controversial topics. Obviously the fight for life abortion,

where adults, desires, and needs are usually put before children in killing them.

But then also when it comes to IVF and Cerragacy, reproductive technologies, and even what is the

ethical approach to adoption. So so excited to have you on Katie thanks for joining the podcast.

It is my pleasure. It's my joy. It's very nice to have a chance to have a conversation with you

with a few friends. So Katie, tell me a little bit more about your background and about them

before us. Katie Faust background. I used to work at the largest Chinese adoption agency in the

world after my husband and I got married. So I've had a heart for kids for a long, long time.

My husband and I have been doing youth ministry and now he is the senior pastor of our church.

We live in Seattle. We've got four incredible teenagers. I'm very passionate about like

parenting and marriage and all of that. But I'm super agreeable. Very very nice. Like to keep my

friends. Don't like to confront unless, unless you tread on the rights of children, unless an adult

starts asking a child to sacrifice their rights and well-being so adults can live as they please.

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