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That's kind of conversation to your soul.

That's conversation between your soul and the night. Hello, hello. Hello American Prestige listeners.

It's Derek.

I am very pleased to be joined for this episode by Matt Natchett, freelance journalist covering Sudan since the revolution. He's covered it for several outlets. You may have most recently found his work at Al Jazeera. Matt, thank you so much for coming on the program.

Thanks for having me.

So we've wanted to do a Sudan episode, another Sudan episode on the conflict for a while now.

I'm very glad to have you on to do that.

I think we first reached out to you around the time that Alfasher had fallen to the rapid support forces group.

And so it's been a little while since then,

but I wanna start with that event.

And maybe we can get into first

before we talk about the takeover of the city.

I know we've talked about the RSF

in previous episodes of this podcast

and its background and sort of the Darfur genocide and its roots. But maybe we could talk a bit

just to give context for people about the RSF and its actions, both, you know, take it back as far as you want, but I'm thinking

specifically in Darfur leading up to what happened in Al Fasher. But obviously, you know,

whatever context do you think people would need to understand what's going on? Sure. Yeah,

I can draw a quick through line between the events that we saw at the end of October and the beginning of the conflict or what many analysts and observers, you know, specifies what they believe was the catalyst as the catalyst of the first round of mass killing 22 years ago in 2003.

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