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That's kind of conversation to your soul.

That's conversation between your soul and the night. next conversation. Hello, Prestige Heads, and welcome.

I'm Danny Bessner, here as, with my friend and comrade Derek Davidson,

and we are very excited to welcome to the podcast today.

Leah Upie, Leah is a Ralph Miliband professor of politics and philosophy,

and she's written several books, including the most recent Indignity, A Life Reimagined.

Leah, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you, Brad, and then, also.

So the first thing to do is that this is a book that obviously emerges from a personal experience.

I actually happen to know a bit about Salonica because one of my colleagues wrote the book on Jewish Salonica,

which is actually, we should invite him on Derek.

It's a really interesting book.

But how did this story come to be? What made you want to investigate it in addition to your

sort of more traditional work on politics and philosophy? What was your entry point for this

story and how do you think it relates to the larger themes in your work?

Well, it started when relative texted me to say, have been noticed, your grandmother

has become viral on Facebook.

And I went on Facebook and discovered a photo of part that I had never seen before, shared

by some I had never heard before, followed by lots of deropatory comments and allegations.

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