If somebody just told me like, this isn't going to make you into a boy and there's no guarantee that doing any of this is going to resolve your distress.

You're perfect as you are as a woman. The issue isn't your body. It's the way that you think of it.

And no matter what you do to yourself, what drugs you take, what surgeries you get, you're always going to be a woman.

And you are enough. I won't be dealing with any of this right now.

Did anyone say that to you?

Chloe, thanks for coming on the podcast. Yeah, thank you for having me.

I've admired you from afar, I think, for the last maybe almost a year since you started really being public with your advocacy.

So I'm excited for the conversation today.

So first off, I think you and I have a lot actually in common being we're both from California and similar area.

So tell me about where you're from and how you grew up.

Yeah, so I'm from the Central Valley area of California, I'm from Antica and born and raised there, never really been out of the area.

And what was your, what was life like growing up for you?

I mean, I'm the youngest of the five kids. I brought two older sisters, two older brothers and so I kind of had influence from both sexes.

But I was a kind of in between on being like a girly girl and a tomboy in a lot of ways.

Like I like playing dress up with my older sisters and pretending that we were characters from shows.

And I love when they would put makeup on me and I stole like their their brats dolls and their Barbie dolls and stuff.

And I also like playing video games with my older brothers and and playing outside and getting dirty.

I have always kind of been on technology using the internet.

And part of that is I kind of struggled a lot socially growing up, especially as I got older, hit puberty and went to middle school.

I was bullied quite a bit in elementary school and after one school year when I finally managed to to make friends, I was back at square one because I had to move neighborhoods and then move schools.

And that was when all my older siblings started to move out.

There was a pretty significant age gap between me and my older siblings about seven to eight years.

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