A lot of people are never gonna seek out pro-life messaging, but if they want to

watch someone climb a skyscraper and they follow me on Instagram, it kind of

like breaks a lot of barriers. These buildings get thrown into the news. They go

really viral. Last week I had a woman message me because she saw my video on

TikTok and we're able to save their their child all because they saw a silly

video of a guy climbing a skyscraper.

So now we're gonna chat with Mason DeChamp, who is a champ, rock climber,

rock climber extraordinaire who's done some very impressive feats and his

hardcore pro-life so we're gonna talk about that and how he has faith over fear

on mountaintops and buildings. So Mason thanks for coming on the podcast.

Hey Lionel, thanks for having me on. Alright, so you've been rock climbing. When you

watch yourself, when I watch you, we're rock climbing, like you're rock climbing

videos that you've recorded. I'm like, wow, this guy's amazing. He's probably

been doing this since he was a kid, but we were just talking and that's not the

case. Tell me how you got into rock climbing. Yeah, so I guess it all starts

I grew up in Michigan and I grew up hunting and fishing and I was always

outside doing something kind of outdoorsy and I read the book Hatchit and so I

just loved hearing these epic stories and all these cool adventures. But when I

was 16, I moved to California. My dad just got a new job in Los Angeles and so

you know there's not a lot of hunting in L.A. So I just found something else

outdoorsy to do and my dad, he bought me a climbing harness and some some

quick draws and a rope and we'd go out on the weekends and you know just sort of

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