E232: "No Greater Love": How 3 Opus Dei Friends Gave Their All | Lila Rose Show
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🗓️ 18 July 2025
⏱️ 108 minutes
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Summary
When we hear the words of John 15:13, “No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for one’s friends” most of us assume it’s a metaphor, not a literal call. But on June 18, that verse became a lived reality.
Three friends, Val Creus, Matt Schoenecker, and Matt Anthony lost their lives in an act of heroic brotherhood. When Val jumped into the swimming hole at Rattlesnake Falls and called for help, both Matts jumped in after him without hesitation. Today, we’re joined by their close friend and fellow Opus Dei member, Matt Bowman, who shares how these men were remarkable not just in their final sacrifice, but in the way they lived: humbly, joyfully, and always in service to others, drawing people closer to Christ. We also remember another quiet hero, diver Juan Heredia, who risked his own life to recover their bodies and bring some measure of peace to grieving families. Their story reminds us to live with purpose, to love without delay, and to lead others to the source of all love: Christ Himself.
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:04:01 - Understanding Opus Dei
00:09:04 - Seven Weeks Coffee
00:10:01 - Is DaVinci Code Accurate?
00:12:53 - Response to Vatican II
00:16:27 - What happened in the accident?
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00:30:06 - The Rescue Mission
00:36:58 - Covenant Eyes
00:38:02 - Who is Val?
01:00:43 - Matt Schoenecker
01:16:21 - Matt Anthony
01:32:52 - Life after Matts and Val
01:36:00 - Healthy Male Friendship
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| 1:00.2 | June 18th, these three men were on a hike out of the water. They hear him cry for help. |
| 1:04.8 | Nine professional divers determined that this is unsafe to send somebody into. The last thing we need right now is a fourth dead person. That's how he finds them. And he says, very peaceful down there. They're sleeping. What were you feeling and |
| 1:15.0 | thinking when you got that text? The reason that it was natural for them in that moment is because |
| 1:19.4 | they did it all the time. But now, we look at that act and we say it's heroic. This guys gave |
| 1:23.6 | their lives for their friend. |
| 1:33.9 | A few weeks ago here in California, three men of God, Matt Anthony, Matt Schenacher, and Val Cruz were on a beautiful hike and ended up losing their lives in a tragic accident. |
| 1:38.6 | Since their passing, there have been thousands of people who have been moved not just by |
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