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Well, hey, everybody, and welcome to another episode of the debrief. I'm super excited to have, I don't know if I can call you my friend. You can. I can. Okay. My friend that I pay to talk to.

Mark Cameron, who is, was my therapist for almost two years and helped keep Tammy and I in ministry, helped make our marriage better, and helped me through a really, really tough time.

I would say midlife crisis, but I'm older than midlife, so we could say...

Top third of your life crisis.

Close to death.

Yeah.

So welcome everybody, Mark Cameron.

Just such a treat to meet you.

So I got to tell you, I'm a little disappointed.

So we went to you intentionally to be so far away, and I found out you live

in the Inland Empire. I do. I didn't know that. I thought you were Orange County, Hoity Toity,

and turns out your-I live in the promised land of Riverside County. That's right. So, man,

I'm so glad you're here. So I'm going to ask you a counseling trivia question.

Do you know where the term shrink comes from?

I do not.

Okay, do you guys know?

So it comes from the idea of shrink, like a medicine doctor that shrinks skulls.

And so psychiatry kind of had a bad name at first.

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