This week, we welcome writer Rob Henderson.

You know, if a sort of a typical conventional working or middle class person in society,

thinks one way about a sociopolitical issue, a very good way to demonstrate your sophistication

and your status is to hold the opposite opinion. It's also an indicator of, you know, all kinds of

things, the kinds of books you read, the op-eds, the fashionable periodicals, claiming that abolishing

the police would be good for society. You have to do a lot of mental gymnastics that indicate

that, like, you read the New York Times, you went to an expensive college, you listened to

the right podcasts, like just by supporting that opinion, you're telling me all these things

about yourself and maybe you want me to know those things about you. There is a sort of a class

element here. I think many of the people who hold luxury beliefs hold them sincerely,

but I still think it's important for people who hold them to understand that even if your hearts

in the right place, it doesn't mean that society will necessarily be better off. And often,

there are these unintended consequences. They cause a lot of havoc for lower income communities.

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Hey Bridget, great to be here. Thank you for coming. I've been wanting to talk to you for

actually years, I think, at this point. I first was introduced to you, like many people through

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