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That's kind of conversation between your soul.

That's conversation.

To your soul, Derek Davidson.

And I am extremely

genuinely excited to welcome to the podcast today. My old friend, Glenn Lowry, you know him,

but just to repeat, Glenn is the Merton P. Stoltz Professor Emeritus of Social Sciences,

Professor Emeritus of Economics, and Professor Emeritus of international and public affairs at Brown University.

And he's also the host of the excellent The Glenn Show, which I have been listening to in some form or other since I think 2008.

Glenn, I'll always remember after Obama was elected, you kept on saying Barack Hussein Obama.

And John McWhorter, your co-host is like, I'm just going to keep on saying Hussein because it was such a moment. I'll always remember that exactly where I was when I listened to that podcast. It was in San Diego. But anyway, thank you for joining us, and we're here to talk about your recently re-released book, Self-Censorship, which was originally published in 1994, and we'll get into that there. But, Glenn, first of all, it's an honor to have you on the podcast. Thank you so much. Oh, Danny, thanks for the introduction. Good to be here. Hello, Derek. Derek said hello. You made me dive for the mute button, but it's very, very nice to have you. Congratulations.

Releasing the book.

So there's so much to talk about here, and I want to get into all of it, because this is a

book I think that was re-released in light of this, you know, contra-temp, as it were,

over quote-unquote, wokeness or what have you.

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