Michael Shellenberger, author of San Fransicko & Apocalypse Never, stops in to discuss the humanitarian crisis of addiction, mental illness, and homelessness happening in California right now. He and Bridget talk about how state-facilitated addiction camps are destroying the fabric of our cities, how supervised drug consumption sites work in other countries, how Fentanyl is crucifying a generation, what harm reduction actually means, why some people need to face jail time in order to get the help and independence they need, Michael's plan for policing, psychiatry & probation as an alternative to massive incarceration and massive homelessness, and why there's no reason California couldn't be a model for the world in terms of rehab programs and centers. Between the initial interview and its release Michael has announced that he is running for Governor of California to address these problems, and returns for a quick follow-up interview about his strategies to address the multitude of issues facing the state. Learn more about Michael's campaign here: https://www.shellenbergerforgovernor.com/join-now/