Hi there, I'm Jay Kumpfrey and you're listening to our high performance CEO Special, the latest

conversation where we talk to one of the top CEOs in the UK and we hear from them totally

disarmed, completely vulnerable and brutally honest about what it's really like running

some of the most successful businesses in Europe. Remember this podcast reminds you that

it's within your ambition, your purpose, your story. We just help to unlock it by turning

the lived experiences of the planet's highest performers into your life lessons. So right

now myself and Professor Damien Hughes are about to speak to one of the leading business

people on the planet and here is what you can expect. The first year that student loans

came out was a year I went to uni and set me out for, for student loans company listening

to this, I'm really sorry and plan to teenagers, please don't do this, but I lied that I was

buying books and I took it out to trade. Entrepreneurialism really I think is creating a lot from

a little and that doesn't necessarily have to mean I think that you're building a business

that people want to talk to you about or that's listed on the stock exchange. I will always

say though it is very important and good to get good experience elsewhere with other

people. No one likes being told what to do, no one wants to spend 10 hours slogging in

a shop sometimes or whatever else it is that starts you off in life. But I often say

and I actually have a lot of friends who worked at McDonald's too who would say it's

like a mini MBA in a great life school. If we're going to work together closely first

of all I'm a strong personality, you better have a strong personality or this is not going

to work so well. But also I want someone that's going to teach me something or push back

occasionally not just for the sake of it but because that's how it should be.

Alright so we're about to speak to Emma Sinclair you know at the age of 29 she became the

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