Okay everybody there's a little bit of backstory to this episode I actually taped this a couple of months ago and we taped this episode because we had read a New York Times article called The secretive company that might end privacy as we know it. I know it's a dramatic link bidding headline.

And the story was about a company called Clearview AI.

They do facial recognition and they sell that software to government agencies and police departments and they do that obviously with good intent to try to help

catch criminals. Well the morning I interviewed him

happened to be in terms of timing the day after George Floyd was

tragically murdered and I'm using the term murdered because it felt like murder, it is

murder and it's unacceptable. I think we all understand that.

So once the protest started in America

and we were watching these anti-racism protesters,

we decided we might hold the interview

because it didn't feel like the right time and maybe things would settle down and people could think about the software as something that would theoretically help police departments, as opposed to maybe helping them do something

like identify peaceful protesters.

And so we've really been thinking about when is the right time.

Well, just this past Sunday last night, and this was August 24th,

2020, a 29-year-old black man named Jacob Blake was shot in the back and taser by police officers in Wisconsin.

He was unarmed and he remains in critical condition and we're praying that for him and for

his family that he pulls through.

And we saw it and I tweeted about it and listen this is

coming from somebody who's got a family in law enforcement and have great

respect for the police but this was not the way they should have gone

down and it's heartbreaking.

And I'm now at the point where I talked to my team about it.

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