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The Political Scene | The New Yorker

E. Jean Carroll and Roberta Kaplan on Defamatory Trump

The Political Scene | The New Yorker

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4.33.9K Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2023

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Earlier this month, E. Jean Carroll won an unprecedented legal victory: in a civil suit, Donald Trump was found liable for sexual abuse against her in the mid-nineteen-nineties, and for defamation in later accusing her of a hoax. But no sooner was that decision announced than Trump reiterated his defamatory insults against her in a controversial CNN interview. Carroll has now filed an amended complaint, in a separate suit, based on Trump’s continued barrage. But can anything make him stop? “The one thing he understands is money,” Carroll’s lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, tells David Remnick. “At some point he’ll understand that every time he does it, it’s going to cost him a few million dollars. And that may make a difference.” Carroll acknowledges that Trump will keep attacking her to get a laugh—“a lot of people don’t like women,” she says simply—but she is undaunted, telling Remnick, “I hate to be all positive about this, but I think we’ve made a difference.” “This is his moment of comeuppance?” Remnick asks her; “I think it just may be.”

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This is the political scene, and I'm David Remnick. Earlier this month, E. Jean Carroll won an unprecedented legal victory.

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In a civil suit, Donald Trump was found liable for sexual abuse against her in the mid-90s

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and for defamation in accusing her of trying to pull off a hoax.

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But no sooner was that decision announced that the former president turned around and repeated his attack,

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using the same sort of defamatory insults that we've heard and grown so used to over the years.

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And he played it for laughs in his recent live interview on CNN.

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What kind of a woman meets somebody and brings them up, and within minutes, you're playing hanky-panky in a dressing room, okay?

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E.G. and Carol has now filed an amended complaint based on Trump's continued statements about the case.

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I spoke with Carol, along with her attorney

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Roberta Kaplan, who was known for her work on sexual violence. So on May 9th, Donald Trump was

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