E.234 From Arrests To Care: Building A Smarter Crisis Response For First Responders (Part 1)

Resilience Development in Action: First Responder Mental Health

Steve Bisson

Education, Mental Health, Science, Social Sciences, Self-improvement, Honest, Counseling, Health & Fitness, Psychology, Substance Use

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🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Send us a text Crises rarely look like TV. Most calls aren’t bank robberies; they’re frantic welfare checks, neighbor standoffs over fences, a parent terrified for a missing teen, or someone hearing voices at 2 a.m. We sit down with Dr. Sarah Abbott, a pioneer of the police–clinician co-response model, to unpack how pairing a trained clinician with officers at the point of contact reshapes outcomes: fewer arrests, fewer injuries, and far more dignity for the person in distress. Sarah shares ...

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0:00.0	Welcome to Resilience Development in Action with Steve Bisson.
0:06.1	This is the podcast dedicated to first responder mental health, helping police, fire,
0:11.4	EMS, dispatchers, and paramedics create better growth environments for themselves and their teams.
0:17.5	Let's get started.
0:40.6	Okay. their teams. Let's get started. You know, you've heard me talk about this before. Getfree.a.I. Great for your note-taking, good for your transcript, good for your goals, good for everything that you do in a hippocomplying nature.
0:47.6	And if you use code Steve 50 at checkout, you will get $50 off your first month.
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0:55.8	But getfree.a.I has freed me to do more things with my life, including work on other passions. So get freed to do your notes, get freed from doing your
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1:07.8	Well, hi everyone, and welcome to episode 234. If you haven't listened to episode 23A and B, or one or two, depending on how you look at it, it was Joe Rosodi. He's one character and a half. Really great guy. I hope you listen to his stuff. He has a lot of stories. He believes in the mental health and protecting the first responder world and having people who are culturally competent, which is all up my alley. So go listen to that. But episode 234 is personal, and what I mean by that
1:34.0	is this. When I came to this country, I got lucky enough to work on a crisis team within 10 months.
1:39.9	And one of the first people who trained me in my triage job at that crisis work was my guest today.
1:46.9	She was supportive then.
1:48.5	And then when she innovated something that I know we're going to talk about, she also invited me to those meetings and even let me co-respond a few times.
1:57.9	She's a very important person.
1:59.1	I don't know if she's ever known how important she is to me.
2:02.7	So maybe this is a shock to her, but I think about her regularly. Absolutely adore this woman.
2:09.3	Dr. Sarah Abbott, welcome to resilience development in action.
2:12.5	Well, Steve, thank you. That's a great welcome. It's great to be here.
2:16.1	Well, it's a truthful one. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. It seems like a long time ago. I mean, we were both kids. Kids. I remember like, you telling me, you know, I'm a kid and I'm teaching you how to do that. Yeah. I think I was 27. And I was like 24. Yeah. And I was going to change the world.
2:35.5	Same.
2:36.2	Look at me now, nothing.
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