I am so glad you could join us. I'm your host Mo Gaudet. This podcast is nothing more than a conversation between two good friends sharing inspiring life stories and perhaps

some nuggets of wisdom along the way.

This is your invitation to slow down with us.

Welcome to slow more. Welcome to slow more. Welcome back. My guest today brings a topic that I had wanted to discuss on

slow mow for a very, very long time. Michelle De Massey is a PhD holder in philosophy.

She lived in five countries.

She is a prominent vice president of a US corporation but that's not what we're going to

talk about here today. She is a very very big advocate for women's rights, refugee rights.

She published multiple academic papers

on the topics of women's rights and refugee rights

and on Afghanistan.

And recently, she released her book Hope Solidarity and

death on the Australian border basically Christmas Island and asylum seekers. She actually gives the royalty of

this book away to charity and her objective really is to raise awareness around

some of the Australian asylum seeker policies.

But that's just one thing in her massive, massive effort to actually try and understand what an asylum seeker, what a refugee has to go through

so that we can somehow make it a little more human if you want in dealing with those

situations. She's currently working on a research that focuses on understanding

the things that matter most to a refugee and so accordingly can

help them feel welcomed and settled as quickly as possible a topic that I

definitely want to cover.

So this is a conversation that I think each and every one of us

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