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Dr. Charles Zuker: The Biology of Taste Perception & Sugar Craving

Huberman Lab

Scicomm Media

Science, Health & Fitness, Life Sciences

4.826.2K Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2022

⏱️ 137 minutes

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Summary

My guest this episode is Dr. Charles Zuker, PhD, Professor of Biochemistry, Molecular Biophysics and Neuroscience at Columbia University and an Investigator with the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. Dr. Zuker is the world’s leading expert in the biology of taste, thirst and craving. His laboratory explores the mechanisms of taste perception, focusing on how our conscious and unconscious processing of specific foods and nutrients guide our actions and behaviors. We discuss the neural circuits of taste, the “gut-brain axis,” the basis of food cravings and the key difference between wanting (craving) and liking (perceiving) sugar. We also explore how taste perception relates to specific food satiety, thirst, to our emotions, and expectation. We also consider how sugar containing and highly-processed foods can hijack the natural balance of the taste and digestive systems. Dr. Zuker provides a true masterclass in the biology of taste and perception that ought to be of interest to anyone curious about how the brain works, our motivated behaviors and the neural, chemical perceptual aspects of the mind. For the full show notes, visit hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/huberman Thesis: https://takethesis.com/huberman Supplements from Momentous https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Dr. Charles Zuker & Taste Perception (00:03:05) Momentous Supplements (00:04:35) AG1 (Athletic Greens), InsideTracker, Thesis (00:08:35) Sensory Detection vs. Sensory Perception (00:11:48) Individual Variations within Perception, Color (00:16:20) Perceptions & Behaviors (00:20:19) The 5 Taste Modalities (00:26:18) Aversive Taste, Bitter Taste (00:28:00) Survival-Based & Evolutionary Reasons for Taste Modalities, Taste vs. Flavor (00:30:14) Additional Taste Modalities: Fat & Metallic Perception (00:34:02) Tongue “Taste Map,” Taste Buds & Taste Receptors (00:39:34) Burning Your Tongue & Perception (00:42:54) The “Meaning” of Taste Stimuli, Sweet vs. Bitter, Valence (00:51:55) Positive vs. Negative Neuronal Activation & Behavior (00:56:16) Acquired Tastes, Conditioned Taste Aversion (01:01:44) Olfaction (Smell) vs. Taste, Changing Tastes over One’s Lifetime (01:09:14) Integration of Odor & Taste, Influence on Behavior & Emotion (01:17:26) Sensitization to Taste, Internal State Modulation, Salt (01:24:05) Taste & Saliva: The Absence of Taste (01:28:10) Sugar & Reward Pleasure Centers; Gut-Brain Axis, Anticipatory Response (01:36:23) Vagus Nerve (01:43:09) Insatiable Sugar Appetite, Liking vs. Wanting, Gut-Brain Axis (01:52:03) Tool: Sugar vs. Artificial Sweeteners, Curbing Appetite (01:54:06) Cravings & Gut-Brain Axis (01:57:30) Nutrition, Gut-Brain Axis & Changes in Behavior (02:01:53) Fast vs. Slow Signaling & Reinforcement, Highly Processed Foods (02:10:38) Favorite Foods: Enjoyment, Sensation & Context (02:15:58) Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous Supplements, Instagram, Twitter, Neural Network Newsletter Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac Disclaimer

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Uberman Lab podcast where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.

0:08.8

I'm Andrew Uberman and I'm a professor of neurobiology and

0:12.3

Ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. Today my guest is Dr. Charles Zucker.

0:17.4

Dr. Zucker is a professor of biochemistry and molecular biophysics and of neuroscience at Columbia University School of Medicine.

0:24.9

Dr. Zucker is one of the world's leading experts in

0:27.5

perception that is how the nervous system converts physical stimuli in the world into events within the nervous system that we come to understand as our sense of smell, our sense of taste, our sense of vision, our sense of touch, and our sense of hearing.

0:42.9

Dr. Zucker's lab is responsible for a tremendous amount of pioneering and groundbreaking work in the area of perception.

0:49.2

For a long time his laboratory worked on vision defining the very receptors that allow for the conversion of light into signals that the rest of the eye in the brain can understand.

0:59.2

In recent years his laboratory is focused mainly on the perception of taste and indeed his laboratory is responsible for discovering many of the taste receptors leading to our perception of things like

1:10.0

sweetness sourness bitterness saltiness and umami that is savouriness in food.

1:16.4

Dr. Zucker's laboratory is also responsible for doing groundbreaking work on the sense of thirst.

1:21.2

That is how the nervous system determines whether or not we should ingest more fluid or reject fluids that are offered to us.

1:28.7

A key feature of the work from Dr. Zucker's laboratory is that it bridges the brain and body.

1:33.7

As you'll soon learn from today's discussion his laboratory has discovered a unique set of sugar sensing neurons that exist not just within the brain,

1:42.4

but a separate set of neurons that sense sweetness and sugar within the body and that much of the communication between the brain and body leading to our seeking of sugar is below our conscious detection.

1:53.7

Dr. Zucker has received a large number of prestigious awards and appointments as a consequence of his discoveries in neuroscience.

1:59.9

He is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Medicine and the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

2:06.0

He is also an investigator with the Howard Hughes Medical Institute for those of you that are not familiar with the so-called HHMI, the Howard Hughes Medical Institute.

2:14.2

Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigators are selected on an extremely competitive basis.

2:19.4

And indeed they have to come back every five years and prove themselves worthy of being reappointed as Howard Hughes investigators.

2:27.2

Dr. Zucker has been a Howard Hughes investigator since 1989.

2:31.6

What all that means for you as a viewer and or listener of today's podcast is that you are about to learn about the nervous system and its ability to create perceptions in particular the perception of taste and sugar sensing from the world's expert on perception and taste.

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