when there's been shaming messages, that becomes a barrier to the curious, compassionate naming of things.

That's a gentle naming.

It's like, oh, I see this.

I'm putting my finger on it.

I think we need to name this, guys.

I think we need to talk about this as a culture without the shame, without the judgment, without the toxicity.

It's you and me together going, let's look

at this together from a posture of, oh, I've seen it in me. I know you've seen it in you. Now,

let's talk about it outside of us, too. Welcome to the Good Faith podcast. I'm your host, Curtis Chang, and the Good Faith

podcast is where friends who follow Jesus help each other make sense of the world.

One of the things that I've come to realize is that you hear us talk a lot about our institutional lives and how important they are. And then we're,

especially in terms of the complexity of this world, always seems to pull us to focus on what's

happening in the world out there. And all of that is important. But in that pull

to try to make sense of our outer worlds, which I would say if you look at the topical coverage of

the Good Faith podcast, it really does reflect that. It reflects kind of a predominance of topics in the

outer world, especially I would say in that outer, most outermost layer of our

social world. So I wanted to spend a whole podcast on trying to dive more deeply, why

making sense of our inner world is so important to making sense of our outer worlds.

And I have a great guest to help us do that. Alison Cook. Allison Cook is a

therapist. She's a podcast host. Alison, welcome to the Good Faith podcast. I'm so happy to be here.

I always love talking with you, Curtis. Well, Alison, let's dive right into it because this is your

business. Your job is to help people make sense of their inner world.

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