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When we were all locked down and isolating, conspiracy theorists went on the march.

The emergence of anti-vaccine skirmongering coupled with virulent anti-semitism was disconcerting for all of us.

But it was even more nuts for Naomi Klein, journalist and author of the shock doctrine, who found herself constantly getting mixed up with Naomi Wolf, another author and academic.

Klein found herself being drawn into a strange mirror world as she tracked her doppelgangers journey from feminist, academic and liberal darling to gun-toting anti-vaxxer, paling around with Steve Bannon.

What was it about COVID that strengthened the far right and how'd all of us create doppelgangers of ourselves online?

Stay tuned to find out as I talk to Naomi Klein for downstream.

So when did it stop being funny that you were being confused for Naomi Wolf?

I mean, I still find it funny sometimes to be honest, especially because it still happens.

In fact, I was doing a TV interview in the States last week and the host had to do a retake.

No.

And he didn't realize that he'd done it. And I was like, you have to stop now and redo that because you just can't meet Naomi Wolf.

Oh my god, he should have kept it in.

I'm not going to name him, but he knows who he is.

Yeah, I think, I mean, to be honest, it's always been a little cringy, starting from the very beginning.

I start the book with this story about being at Occupy Wall Street and being in a public Lou and hearing a couple of demonstrators talking about an article that Naomi Klein had written.

And oh my god, she doesn't understand our demands or our movement.

And obviously that was lower stakes.

I mean, they were talking about an article by Naomi Wolf.

Did you call from inside the stool like, uh, sorry.

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