In the last 10 years, issues around climate change and political transformation have become

ever more relevant.

And one of the leading voices in bringing that debate to wider audience is my guest today,

Andreas Maum, a Swedish writer and academic, and most recently author of How to Blow Up

a Pipeline, purely provocative may I add, Andreas, thanks for joining us on Downstream.

Thank you so much, Aaron, it's a pleasure to be here.

We are talking in the run up to COP26, in the week of COP26, and one of the people who

has shifted the debate around climate change in the last several years has been Greta

Timberg.

She's Swedish, you're Swedish, any coincidence?

Well, to be honest, I do think it is, this is just an accident, it's a coincidence.

I mean, she or I could have come from another Scandinavian country just as well, I mean.

Do you think?

Well, what do you think?

I have a hard time seeing myself embodying anything, particularly Swedish.

That would very much go against myself, at least.

But I'm such an anti-nationalist and a self-hating sweet.

But from the sort of ruins of 20th century social democracy, the possibility of a sort of

radical discourse on climate, I'm not saying that's not on mainstream, but the possibility

of one.

Anything in that perhaps?

No.

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