The choice facing Brazilian voters on October 2nd could not be more stark. On the one hand

is Jaya Bolsonaro, the incumbent. He's been in charge for four years, he's overseen

economic calamity and as many as 700,000 Covid-related deaths. Confronting him is Lula de Silva.

On the left, he was in prisoners recently as three years ago and he was the president

from 2003 to 2010. He oversaw a record period of economic expansion for the country.

I spoke to Sabrina Fernandez, a Brazilian journalist about both men and who she thinks

has the best chance of winning those elections in October.

Sabrina, how are you doing? I'm good, Aira. How are you? I'm very well. How are you feeling

ahead of the elections at the beginning of October? I'm a little hopeful, actually a few

months ago. If you had asked me, I would say I was very pessimistic, but I'm a little hopeful

regarding Lula winning. We've had some good polling recently that actually gives us a

shot in the first round, maybe. Also campaigning on the streets, a lot of the people, even

older, afraid of political violence, sometimes they're afraid of speaking about who they're

going to vote for. There's a general tendency of understanding that Bolsonaro was really

bad for the country, so the tendency is to go for Lula anyway.

Can you explain that one to me? Because if you look at the record of Jaya Bolsonaro

over the last four years, just as an external observer, it's kind of stunning to me that

he even stands a remote chance of winning because at least with Trump in 2020, prior to

COVID, there was economic growth, high levels of employment. It wasn't just the right-wing

rhetoric, but then you look at Bolsonaro on COVID, on the economy, on exports, on living

standards, it's a car crash. How can he still maintain some widespread support? At least 40%

let's say. The thing with Bolsonaro is that it's just not just about him, it's also about

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