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If I'm like ever really fucked, I have to watch either Bo Burnham's Inside or Joker with Joaquin Phoenix.

Interesting.

Which is like the two ends of the spectrum.

I would love to unpack why.

The Joker makes you feel wholen at home.

Because you know what it is?

I actually have figured this out.

I think that the Joker, I was talking to my family about this year than night,

I think that Joaquin Phoenix is the Joker is like a weird Roar Shock litmus test

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