Welcome back to the City Journal podcast.

I'm your host, Charles Fain Lehman, a fellow with the Manhattan Institute and senior editor of City Journal.

This episode, we're doing something a little bit different.

We thought we'd do an experiment.

And so I'm very pleased to be joined by my colleague, Douglas Murray. Doug. This episode, we're doing something a little bit different. We thought we'd do an experiment.

And so I'm very pleased to be joined by my colleague Douglas Murray. Douglas is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and contributing editor of City Journal. He's a journalist and the bestselling author of eight books. Now eight books, right? Yeah, because I think that's the total. including the War on the West, the Madness of Crowds, and His Most Reason Book on Democracies and Death Cults, which came out earlier this year. And we thought we had the opportunity to pick Douglas' brain, and so we thought we'd have a one-on-one conversation, talk about some of the issues that have come up on the show, the sort of court of what am I and CJ are interested in, but also what you're

interested in. So thank you for taking the time. It's great to be with you. So I want to start

us off by turning our attention to, I think, a story that drives to the number of themes. There's been a big

focus of ours at CJ, and I'm curious for your thoughts on. As you may be aware, last week, New Yorkers were shocked by a mass

shooting at 345 Park Ave. It took the lives of four New Yorkers, including an NYPD officer,

an off-duty NYPD officer, the perpetrator guy named Shane Tamora, who killed himself

during the act.

It seems like, based on the reporting that has come out since then, he was trying to target the NFL offices in the building.

He believed himself to have a football-related injury and was trying to draw attention to that, or at least that's the theory of the case.

New details have emerged since

we last talked about this on the show, which indicate that he had a long history of mental

illness, including two police visits back in Nevada where he's from or he fears he was armed

and suicidal. But part of what has drawn my attention to this story is, you know, the internet, sort

of in the immediate aftermath, lit up in celebration of the murder of

Wesley LaPatner, one of Tommor's victims, who's a Blackstone executive, who's involved in their work

on real estate, social media users posted that she had been, I think the phrase is Luigi,

evoking Luigi Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson.

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