From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal, this is Free Expression with Jerry Baker.

Hello, and welcome to another episode of Free Expression with me, Jerry Baker from the Wall Street Journal editorial page.

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candor issues of topical interest in the fields of politics, economics, business, culture, and science.

We speak in depth to people who are leading figures in the field, practitioners, experts,

or commentators to give us all a better understanding of the major trends driving our times.

Now, this week, my guest is Douglas Murray, prolific author, commentator and public intellectual.

Douglas has been one of the most effective and widely heard voices in recent years

in the struggle against the seemingly

inexorable march of progressive ideology through the culture, institutions and politics of

the West. His recent books have established him as one of the sharpest observers and critics of

the trends that have in the last decade or so undermined the very cohesion and purpose of the

great Western democracies. In the strange death of Europe in 2017, he chronicled the apparently voluntary collapse of suicide, as he called it, of the old continent's moral and

civilizational identity in the face of mass immigration. The madness of crowds in 2019 captured

the insanity and terrifying destructive potential of the identity politics that have come to dominate

public discourse. Now he's out with a new book, The War on the West,

How to Prevail in the Age of Unreason, which examines perhaps one of the most remarkable phenomena in all of modern history, the apparent ambition to denigrate and actually destroy everything

that's made Western civilization, a threat or more remarkable because it comes entirely

from within. Douglas Murray joins me now. Douglas, thank you very much for joining us. Very good to be with you. Congratulations on the book. I should say you like me are a Brit who's much younger than I am, but you grew up in Britain. You spent most of your time there, but you've recently translated to the United States, at least for a while. How's that working out for you? Do you like the water better over here? I love the water in the United States. There's a lot of reasons why I'm here.

The main one is that it's been my view for some time that the US is now a net exporter of

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