This is the Brand and Sherry podcast.

So this is really not something that people talk about very much, at least openly, which is the problem.

It's the problem. It's not out there. There's not help for a lot of people, and that is pornography.

So we have help for you. And if it's not you personally struggling with

this, it's somebody you know and probably multiple people, it's not probably, it is

multiple people, you know, it's the way life is. It's one of those things that people

suffer in silence like it's not totally is such shame connected to it that just the average person seeing them you're not going to know that that's something that they're going through but they are and it's tough

The weird thing is having worked in Christian radio for so long

I know this is a front burner issue for most of the people listening

Most and knowing that and not talking about it you kind of feel like you're playing church. And I know churches are that way, too, a lot of times. They're not dealing with it, talking about it. And I think that's, we're playing here. We're all ignoring the elephant in the room. And there are actually several elephants in the room. We have a whole room of elephants, guys.

That's an issue.

No one's paying attention.

You guys aren't talking about all these elephants?

I can barely get in here.

They're everywhere.

But the wonderful thing about this, the back half of this podcast is with Michael Cusick.

This is a broken guy.

And he has been, he would use the word humiliated because of his

own, the things he's gone through in his own life, being found out, his own habits, things he's

been involved in, and he has turned that to be a blessing to people. And his book is called

surfing for God, but that's the back half of this podcast, so it's extra long this time we're

doing this podcast, but I highly

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