Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders. I'm Kelly Corrigan, and this week I'm wondering about the state of America, namely the intersection between law, politics, and the media.

I have two guests to help us unpack the alliances and tensions between those three areas of American life.

First, Katie Kirk, who has been in the media business for 40-some years now in a variety of roles,

who has a really honed perspective and where we are, how we got here, and where we might try to get to next.

After Katie, we'll talk to Neil Katyal, a Georgetown law professor who has argued in front of

the Supreme Court 47 times. Between Neil and Katie, I hope we come to a set of understandings

about this moment in American public life and what we might hope for and work towards next. We'll be right back with Kelly Corrigan Wonders.

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Okay.

I have two guests today. First, Katie

Currick, who I'm sure you know from her many years on the Today Show, followed by a guy named Neil Katyal, who has argued in front of the U.S. Supreme Court, while also somehow living a life as a Georgetown constitutional law professor.

These are conversations to share with people who

were obsessed with the Today Show way back when Katie was at the anchor desk, or people who are

studying the law, the first generation Americans in your life, and really anyone who wants to be

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