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The Times Tech Podcast

DoNotPay's Josh Browder: "Your very own robot lawyer”

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9654 Ratings

🗓️ 11 January 2019

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Josh Browder, the 22-year-old founder of robot lawyer Donotpay, to talk about the end of the legal profession as we know it (2:25), getting 10,000 Uber refunds (4:35), how parking tickets led to him starting a company (6:10), and getting $15m in parking tickets overturned (8:55), expanding his bot's capabilities (11:50), his deep disdain for lawyers (13:15), his family’s rebel history (14:15), eliminating the need for lawyers (17:25), the inevitability of automation (20:35), the weaknesses of artificial intelligence (22:10), targeting vested interests (25:00), his new privacy bot in Europe (26:50), creating a business around a free core service (27:45), the most endangered white-collar jobs (30:55), the ethics of AI (31:55), the tech backlash (34:00), and the possibility of generalised AI (36:55),

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0:00.0

Yo, technology.

0:03.0

What is it all about?

0:04.5

There are a lot of misconceptions around AI.

0:07.7

They think that, you know, there'll be a Terminator stealth thing walking in the streets.

0:11.7

But I think the biggest threat is to all white-collar jobs.

0:15.6

And so I think that 50% of all jobs in the next 10 years, I wouldn't say we'll go away, but we'll completely shift to something else.

0:29.1

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley. We are back. I hope you all had a fabulous holiday. I did.

0:37.1

It consisted primarily of changing nappies or diapers

0:40.9

for our American listeners. Eating and taking naps. It was fantastic. I must say, having an

0:48.6

infant has really rekindled my love of the nap. After a long night, they're a game changer. Anyhow, I am now back

0:57.2

at the cold face and very much not napping. And we have a great show for you today. Josh Browder is

1:04.2

here, first guest of 2019. Josh is young. Actually, he's still officially a student at Stanford, but he is a man in a hurry.

1:14.3

He's the founder of Do Not Pay, which is what he likes to call the world's first robot lawyer.

1:20.8

And what it does is it uses AI to perform a whole bunch of legal tasks for you for free.

1:26.7

From everything from challenging parking

1:28.9

tickets to acquiring land or just suing anyone in small claims court.

1:34.0

And all you have to do is download the app.

1:37.9

And Browder's goal is pretty lofty.

1:40.9

What he wants to do is to put every lawyer on the planet out of work.

1:45.0

So obviously that's a big, big hill to climb, but he's got some of the smartest, most well-connected folks in Silicon Valley behind him.

1:52.0

And though he is still officially a student, he's basically done with his classes or duties at Stanford.

2:00.0

So I thought it was a good time to bring him on and to talk about what he's up to.

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