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Hans Ziger is president of the Jack Miller Center, an organization founded to support civics and history education.

He wrote an essay in Law and Liberty on a timely topic, donations to elite universities that actually, some which have gone pretty darn woke these days and shown an alarming tolerance in the last few months, as we all know, for identity politics and especially

anti-Semitism after the October 7th episode. The piece is called the next step for disaffected Donors. That's our topic today. Welcome,

President Zyger. Thank you so much, Mark. It's great to be with you. First, just quick update.

The Miller Center started about 12, 15 years ago. Just tell us what you do. Yeah, the Jack Miller Center was started actually two decades ago. Just tell us what you do.

Yeah, the Jack Miller Center was started actually two decades ago.

And it was a quiet but very serious, very energetic venture to grow the bench of scholars of the American political tradition.

And that effort has, I would say,

taken off in some new ways in more recent years as we've gotten into K-12 lines of effort,

getting scholars connected with K-12 social studies teachers to get them up to speed on how to

present primary source texts in

their classrooms. But I would describe us as an educational venture to build a talent pipeline

for the emerging generation of America's civic educators. And one of the key activities we do is

getting junior scholars into an elite fellowship program every summer.

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