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You are positively advantaged being black now, and this is just a fact. Whether you want to be black applying to you know the best medical

schools in the country or to try to get a job at netflix or to get a job with the the ford foundation

i don't believe that sam because the numbers just don't bear that out if you look at the numbers

of admissions the number of admissions okay that's okay but if you look at what the numbers of admissions, look at the Fortune 500 companies or the CEOs of the world.

I think everyone will acknowledge at this point that if you have black applicants of the, where it's a toss up with respect to their qualifications on paper,

you know, everyone's got the same scores, they went to, you know,

they got the same letters of recommendation, whatever it is.

They are desperate to hire black, qualified black employees at every point along the way

to run their conferences, to write for their magazines, to edit, et cetera, et cetera.

It's just, it's hypocrisy.

Welcome back, everyone. So glad you could join us. I'm joined today by renowned philosopher, an author, a neuroscientist. His name is Sam Harris. Sam is a world-renowned academic. He's a neuroscientist. He's an author. He is the host of the podcast Making Sense and has made headlines for his work on concepts like free will, like artificial intelligence, spirituality.

It is a pleasure to have you on, Sam. Thank you very much. How you doing, sir?

I'm good. Nice to see you, Don. It's good to see you as well. So let's talk. Let's get started on this. I want to start with what brought you to fame, right? Your rise to fame.

So your writings on the subject of atheism. You've been dubbed because of that, I believe, by, as one of the four horsemen of new atheism.

You, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Christopher Hitchens,

since you first began publishing on this subject, how have your views shifted on the subject of atheism, sir? I can't say they've shifted much apart from the growing conviction that started fairly early on that atheism as a concept

is not one we really need. I was an unconventional atheist in that when I got inducted into

the pantheon of public atheists after I wrote my first book, The End of Faith, I had never visited an atheist

website or gone to an atheist conference or really read many atheist books. And the truth is,

I never even used the term atheism in my first book, The End of Faith, which is what brought me

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