Today, the Supreme Court voted five to four to legalize same-sex marriage in all 50 states.

And here to talk about the fallout, we are joined by guest Dr. Don Carson for a special

weekend episode of the Aspastor John podcast.

And we will run long this time, about 20 minutes or so, Dr. Carson, I want to get your thoughts

on some specifics about what today's ruling means for the church.

And first, more generally speaking, what would you say to someone who came up to you

and asked for your initial thoughts about the scotus ruling?

A lot would depend to be quite frank on who is asking me.

If we're an unbeliever in favor of the decision and this sort of thing, then I would say I

think that it is not well grounded in the Constitution itself.

Really, it's taking the 14th Amendment and trying to expand it by appeal to equal rights.

And in some ways, a bizarre ruling that probably will do damage on the long haul to freedom

of religion in the First Amendment.

Kennedy does have a paragraph in there about the importance of religious freedom and this

sort of thing, but follows it up with a sentence saying that where the exercise of that freedom

seems to harm the rights of others, then government has the right to curtail it, which

really means, as far as I can see, that he wants the kind of religious freedom that is

allowed in church buildings and worship, but not in a broader cultural view.

So on the other hand, if somebody came up and were part of the loony right wing fringe,

that is full of hate and raising money and this sort of thing, what I want to say is don't

buy into the secular culture's insistence that this is the inevitability of history.

We know who's in charge of history.

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