Now to some news about Doge, the so-called Department of Government Efficiency.

The blunt force operation Elon Musk and President Trump used to target federal agencies in spending earlier this year, is now dismantled itself.

Reuters reported this week that the government's top personnel officials says the entity no longer exists.

That's months ahead of its planned end date.

For more, we're joined now by our Lisa Desjard. Dan, Lisa, it's always great to see you. So what do we actually know at this point? Does Doge exist in any real form? It is at least disassembled, but like so much with Doge, it is murky and it seems almost unnecessarily murky. Let's talk about that Reuters report.

It came out a couple of days ago.

They quoted the head of personnel for the U.S. government who said Doge does not exist.

But then we saw this from Doge on the Internet social media yesterday saying, as usual, this is fake news from Reuters.

Just last week, it goes on to say that Doge was operating, terminating contracts. Now, I've been asking Doge and the Office of Personal Management for days for

response, including on social media, hoping they were to respond to me that way, have not

heard anything. Except the Office of Personal Management did refer me to those comments from

their director. And this is it from Scott Cooper

on X. He wrote, the truth is that Doge may not have centralized leadership, but the principles of

Doge remain alive. What does that mysterious statement mean? To me, the interpretation there is

that, in fact, Doge is no longer its own

entity with its own sort of independent abilities, but instead is dispersed. It has had officers

throughout different agencies, and we'll see each agency may go forward as they want. But when

Elon Musk launched Doge, it had an end date of July next year. So it looks like what's actually happening here is all of this is wrapping up much sooner. And one big clue maybe from President Trump himself, who now speaks about Doge in the past tense. You've tried to track what Doge actually accomplished. What are the hard numbers? This is so important. This was such a part of what this country went through. First of all, let's look at the savings as we know know them. This comes from the Congressional Budget Office. The initial goal for Doge to save money from Elon Musk was $2 trillion. Later, he said $1 trillion. Here's what Doge claims it has saved so far on its so-called wall of receipts. Looking at that today, $214 billion. You run the numbers there, that's about 3% of the total federal budget. That's not nothing.

That is a lot of money. But I have to remind viewers that we have reported our producers and others,

and so is the Associated Press, that those initial savings reported by Doge, really were not backed up for the facts.

We haven't been able to go through that number yet.

In all, we also were told I just got the numbers from Doge

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