Dog-Lover, Scholar, Nudgemaster

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

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🗓️ 2 April 2020

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

The Remnant returns to its quarantine schedule with long-awaited guest and (possibly) the most-ever cited legal scholar, Cass Sunstein. Cass and Jonah have a longstanding camaraderie that began with a shared love of dogs - a subject they may write a book about - but they also have an uncanny ability to discuss flaws and weaknesses in one another’s political priors that’s rare in modern debate. There’s dog talk, bonobo talk, and some rank nudgery on this episode, so it’s a great pick-me-up episode with a little bit of something for everyone. Show Notes: -Self-domestication of dogs -Cass talking about the Russian Fox Experiment -The Tame Bonobo Theory -For Kant nerds: Christine Korsgaard’s deontological argument for animal rights -Cass’ book on “The Cost-Benefit Revolution” -Cass and Thaler’s “Nudge” theory -“Trusting Nudges” -Bound By Oath, the Institute for Justice’s 14th Amendment history podcast

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0:00.0	Greetings dear listeners this is Jonah Goldberg host of the Remnant Podcast brought
0:29.7	to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media. Go to the Dispatch.com to sign up for newsletters,
0:36.5	to find out about the latest podcasts, to find out why your blood magic is inadequate to the tasks at hand.
0:45.4	And today's episode is brought to you by Bound by Oath, a new podcast from the Institute for Justice,
0:54.3	more about that in a little bit. So today we are going back to our global plague strategy of getting
1:05.2	people we've wanted to have on the podcast for a very long time and now that they are in captivity,
1:10.5	they have a very difficult time saying no to us. And so today we have, I believe the most
1:20.2	cited legal scholar in America, but he'll correct me if I'm wrong about this. I'll only know this from Wikipedia.
1:29.4	A Harvard professor author of many important books and some books that it's debatable about the
1:36.6	importance, but if you're a Star Wars geek they're important to you. Cast Sunstein from Harvard.
1:41.7	Welcome aboard cast. Thank you for having me. They do tell me the most cited, but I think the
1:49.1	footnote is that per article written, I'm actually the least cited law professor, not only in America,
2:01.8	okay, I'm going to leave that there. So one of the reasons why we became sort of friendly is we are both,
2:11.5	I think it's fair to say somewhat irrational dog lovers and you've become very interested in dogs
2:20.8	and we've been talking about dogs a lot and we've actually been talking about doing some kind of
2:27.8	project or book together about dogs. What are who prompted you to sort of just go all in on the
2:35.0	dog front? Well a combination of affection for dogs as I'm talking there too in the room,
2:43.0	they happen to be my dogs, they're right next to me, but also the genesis of dogs compared to
2:53.0	wolves is intriguing and surprising that dogs appear to have self domesticated. That is they
3:03.6	chose us and in the process of choosing us, they became gentler, friendlier, less scared, showing less
3:14.8	in the way of reactive aggression. Of course they're able to protect themselves, most dogs are in one
3:22.3	way or another, but they have a softening and it turns out that human beings are like that too
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