Does Trump Help Fuel Mass Shootings?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

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New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

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🗓️ 8 August 2019

⏱️ 34 minutes

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How much responsibility does President Trump bear for violence motivated by racism? The columnists discuss gun control, the recent shootings in El Paso, Tex. and Dayton, Ohio and their connections to Trump's dehumanizing statements about immigrants. Then, several 2020 Democrats took shots at Barack Obama’s legacy during last week’s presidential debates. Were they just trying to undermine Joe Biden’s appeal, or does the breakup with the most recent Democratic president signify something deeper? For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0	I'm Michelle Goldberg.
0:01.4	I'm Ross Douthett.
0:02.6	I'm David Lee Unhart.
0:03.8	And this is the argument.
0:05.8	This week, how much blame does President Trump
0:08.7	deserve for the latest gun massacres?
0:11.1	The connection here is not just Trump's personal qualities.
0:14.2	It is also his bigotry and his flirtations with incitement.
0:18.5	Then, are Democrats breaking up with Barack Obama?
0:22.5	If Joe Biden is going to run essentially on Obama's record,
0:27.2	people are going to try to litigate that record.
0:31.6	And finally, a recommendation.
0:34.2	Then I just remember thinking, like, this is about as happy
0:37.1	as I can be.
0:51.2	On earlier episodes of this podcast,
0:53.1	the three of us have debated whether it's
0:54.9	fair to lay some blame on President Trump for mass shootings.
0:59.4	Michelle and I both think the answer is a clear yes.
1:02.0	But Ross, I want to start with you today,
1:04.0	because you also say yes, but not in quite the same way
1:07.3	that many progressives do.
1:09.0	So make your case.
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