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I'm Scott Han, I want to welcome you to The Road to Amayas, a podcast from the St Paul Center.

Last time I was conversing with Casey talked about his brand new book that we at the center are so

excited about publishing through Emmaus Road publishing.

It's entitled The Obscurity of Scripture.

And it's a book that is an invitation to Catholics and Protestants alike to come together under a kind of big tent, a table, and have a really deep and

meaningful conversation. More light, I suspect, than heat. Casey, welcome back and thanks again for joining us for this particular

podcast The Road to Amayas. Thank you so much for having me Scott.

Yeah so last time you brought up the example of the new perspective on Paul.

And just briefly, let me bring people up to speed and I'll try to be brief. You know the new perspective on Paul can go back to the

1960s where there was a Lutheran biblical scholar by the name of Christer Stendahl at

Harvard and the fact that he was Lutheran I think double the impact of his work because he was the one who showed that Paul did not have a crisis of faith like Luther did.

He did not have a bad conscience, tormented like Luther described in his own tower experience.

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