Does Old MacDonald Need A Makeover? with Professor Gabe Rosenberg

Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness

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Science, Self-improvement, Comedy, Education, Society & Culture

4.9 • 21.5K Ratings

🗓️ 9 March 2022

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Old MacDonald had a farm—and on that farm he had rich terrain for an episode of Getting Curious. Join Professor Gabe Rosenberg and Jonathan as they explore what agricultural history has to do with our modern understandings of sex, gender, and sexuality. They cover the concept of “animal husbandry,” 4-H clubs, the story of a pig looking for love, and so much more. Gabriel N. Rosenberg is Associate Professor of Gender, Sexuality and Feminist Studies and History at Duke University, where he studies how gender, race, and sexuality have shaped the history of the modern food system. His first book, The 4-H Harvest: Sexuality and the State in Rural America, was a gendered history of the iconic rural youth organization, and he is currently writing a book about the interconnections between livestock breeding and the emergence of the human eugenics movement. He writes frequently for The New Republic and has held research fellowships at the National Humanities Center, Yale University, the Max Planck Institute for the History of Science, and the American Philosophical Society. You can follow him on Twitter @gnrosenberg and subscribe to his Substack newsletter “The Strong Paw of Reason” at bearistotle.substack.com. Join the conversation, and find out what former guests are up to, by following us on Instagram and Twitter @CuriousWithJVN. Transcripts for each episode are available at JonathanVanNess.com. Love listening to Getting Curious? Now, you can also watch Getting Curious—on Netflix! Head to netflix.com/gettingcurious to dive in. Jonathan is on Instagram and Twitter @JVN and @Jonathan.Vanness on Facebook. Our executive producer is Erica Getto. Our associate producer is Zahra Crim. Our editor is Andrew Carson. Our socials are run and curated by Middle Seat Digital. Our theme music is “Freak” by QUIN; for more, head to TheQuinCat.com. Getting Curious merch is available on PodSwag.com.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Getting Curious. I'm Jonathan Van Ness and every week I sit down for gorgeous
0:04.0	conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious.
0:08.9	On today's episode, I'm joined by Professor Gabe Rosenberg where I ask him,
0:13.4	what does farming have to do with gender and sexuality?
0:18.0	Welcome to Getting Curious. This is Jonathan Van Ness. I am so excited for today's episode because
0:22.8	it is mind-blowing, it is so interesting. Let's get to it. Welcome to the show Gabe Rosenberg,
0:29.2	who is an associate professor of gender, sexuality and feminist studies, yes you, and history at Duke
0:36.6	University. He researches how gender, sexuality and the global food system connect through history
0:42.9	and today. So first of all, welcome Gabe, how are you? I'm doing great. It's wonderful to be here.
0:49.8	Thank you so much for having me. So I first I gave on Twitter, then we got to do a project together
0:54.6	for Getting Curious, the TV show that did not get to make it all the way to air, because really
0:59.2	your whole scene could be its own series. You study the most fascinating, complex, interconnected
1:08.8	issues, and I learned so much from the time that we spent together. And I am also a queer person
1:15.5	who comes from rural America, grew up literally, I mean for like five years of my life, I was like
1:21.9	literally adjacent to a quorum, beiled slash sometimes, soybean field, you know, with the whole
1:26.3	alternating thing, and cow farms and pig farms. And so the idea of what like a farmer person
1:34.2	and what city people are is something that has like very much affected my outlook on life very
1:40.4	early on. And also this idea of like the farmer and the farmers wife, these are ideas and stereotypes
1:47.8	that are really driven into your mind when you come up in rural America. You think about how we
1:53.2	learned about sex via like barnyard animals and the 4-H club. And so where do people's minds go
2:00.9	when we first start to think about this topic and the connection between gender and farming?
2:07.0	And why? I think that immediately the iconic image that's going to jump into a lot of people's
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