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The Documentary Podcast

Does Kruger deserve a park?

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.32.6K Ratings

🗓️ 8 November 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Kruger national park in South Africa is one of the most well known nature reserves in the world. But the legacy of Paul Kruger, who the park is named after, is complicated. He founded the park to protect South Africa's wildlife, but he is also considered to be a relic of the country's racist past and considered by some as an architect of apartheid. Khanyisile Ngcobo is a reporter for BBC Africa and she tells us more about the name change debate.

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This episode of The Documentary comes to you from The Fifth Floor, the show at the heart of global storytelling, with BBC journalists from all around the world.

Presented by Faranak Amidi.

Produced by Caroline Ferguson, Rebecca Moore and Alice Gioia.

This is an EcoAudio certified production.

(Photo: Faranak Amidi. Credit: Tricia Yourkevich.)

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts.

0:06.0

Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service.

0:13.8

You're listening The Fifth Floor.

0:17.6

The Fifth Floor, you know you.

0:20.0

You're like is the fifth floor

0:23.2

Farnak Amidi Sobath

0:24.7

This is the fifth floor

0:28.5

At the heart of global

0:30.4

storytelling

0:31.2

with BBC journalists

0:32.9

from all around the world

0:34.6

I'm your host

0:35.6

Faranak Amidi

0:36.6

Kruger from all around the world. I'm your host, Faranak Amidi.

0:46.7

Kruger National Park in South Africa is one of the most famous nature reserves in the world.

0:51.6

But like so many things in South Africa, it has a complicated history.

0:57.3

It is named after a man called Paul Kruger. He founded the park to protect nature. But for many South Africans, he is viewed as a relic of the country's racist past,

1:04.5

as he was one of those responsible for driving black Africans off their land, and is seen by some as an architect of the country's later system

1:14.3

of legalized racial segregation known as apartheid.

1:19.1

We have a clip of a black South African man

1:22.1

who worked in Kruger Park during apartheid in 1968.

1:37.3

Ironically, it is in the Kruger National Park that Africans are allowed to carry guns in order to protect the whites against the wild animals. As a black man, I have come to realize that the animals have far better freedom than the black people of this country.

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