Does AI Understand Things? (Robert Wright & Gary Marcus)

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🗓️ 22 February 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

0:31 Gary’s background and place in the AI world 1:45 Are Gary’s views on AI paradoxical? 9:16 Bob: Searle’s Chinese Room argument is dead 19:29 Have LLMs demonstrated "theory of mind"? 26:34 Arguing the semantics of an LLM's “semantic space” 32:04 Do LLM representations map onto the real world? 41:20 Can (and should) we slow down AI development? 52:11 Gary: I’ve never seen a field as myopic as AI today 54:53 The (symbolic?) future of AI

Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Gary Marcus (https://garymarcus.substack.com/, Humans vs. Machines, The Algebraic Mind, Kluge). Recorded February 13, 2024.

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0:00.0	You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero podcast.
0:33.3	Hi, Gary.
0:34.9	Hi, Bob.
0:36.2	How you doing?
0:37.2	Good. How are you? Can't complain. Let me introduce us How you doing? Good, are you?
0:38.6	Can't complain.
0:39.5	Let me introduce this.
0:40.2	I'm Robert Wright, publisher of the Non-Zero Newsletter.
0:42.3	This is a Non-Zero podcast.
0:43.7	You're Gary Marcus.
0:45.4	Prominent cognitive scientist, Professor Emeritus at NYU.
0:50.2	Prominent voice in the AI debate.
0:52.2	In fact, this spring, right after the release release of GPT4, there were these big
0:57.8	Senate hearings with only three witnesses.
1:01.7	There you were right next to Sam Altman, such as your prominence.
1:06.4	You have your issues with Same Altman, I would say.
1:10.1	You're not exactly on the same page. You've got your issues with some altman, I would say. You're not exactly on the same page.
1:11.4	You've got your issues with some other people, including some, you know,
1:15.7	seminal figures in the field of AI, especially deep learning neural networks,
1:20.4	including Jan Lacoon, Jeffrey Hinton.
1:23.3	Anyone who wants to follow that can follow you on Twitter where these things surface.
1:31.0	Or my substack for more detailed conversation than you will ever find on Twitter.
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