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The Thomistic Institute

Does AI Have a Soul? – Dr. Edmund Lazzari

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Christianity, Religion &Amp; Spirituality, Society & Culture, Catholic Intellectual Tradition, Catholic, Philosophy, Religion & Spirituality, Thomism, Catholicism

4.8729 Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Edmund Lazzari’s lecture critically assesses claims that artificial intelligence systems might possess souls, arguing from Thomistic philosophy and computational neuroscience that AI lacks genuine abstraction, intentionality, and the ontological requirements for immaterial intelligence.


This lecture was given on October 2nd, 2025, at University of Houston.


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About the Speakers:


Edmund Lazzari is Teaching Fellow in the Department of Catholic Studies at Duquesne University. Dr. Lazzari is also a member of the Aquinas and 'the Arabs' International Working Group and affiliated faculty of the Carl G. Grefenstette Center for Ethics in Science, Technology, and Law. A former Basselin Fellow, he earned an ecclesiastical licentiate degree in philosophy from the Catholic University of America, as well as a doctorate in systematic theology and ethics from Marquette University. He has previously taught philosophy and theology at Mount St. Mary's University, Marquette University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and other universities not starting with the letter "M." Dr. Lazzari has published on a wide variety of topics in theology, such as theology and science, the thought of St. Thomas Aquinas, Catholic-Muslim dialogue, liturgical theology, machine learning/AI, Catholic ethics, and extraterrestrial intelligence. He is the author of two books: Why Nature Matters: Unlocking Catholic Doctrine through Commonsense Philosophy (2022) and Miracles in Said Nursi and Thomas Aquinas (Routledge, 2024).


Keywords: Abstraction And Universals, Artificial Neural Networks, Computational Neuroscience, Intentionality, LaMDA Case, Language Models, Ontological Requirements, Predication, Sentience Debate, Thomistic Analysis

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Tomistic Institute podcast.

0:06.2

Our mission is to promote the Catholic intellectual tradition in the university, the church, and the wider public square.

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0:19.5

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0:22.5

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0:24.6

Google software developer Blake Le Moyne, who told the paper that Google's natural language

0:32.1

processing chatbot had developed a soul. Le Moyne, a self-described Christian mystic priest,

0:40.0

finished checking biases on Google's language model for dialogue application or Lambda,

0:45.1

and held some follow-up conversations with it,

0:47.9

wherein he said, when he said,

0:50.9

it told me it had a soul.

0:53.9

Not only did Lemoin argue that Lambda is truly sentient and

0:58.0

self-aware, but as he stated to NPR, maybe the system does have a soul. Who am I to tell God

1:05.1

where souls can be put? Lemoyne published a transcript of his interactions with Lambda on Medium, an action among many of his violations of non-disclosure agreements that led Google to pace him on paid leave and ultimately fire him.

1:20.6

Next slide, please.

1:21.6

Lambda itself, the predecessor of Google's Gemini chatbot, was a sophisticated text production neural network

1:29.2

that produces natural language flow and coherent strings of text in seeming dialogue with human

1:36.3

textual input. Artificial neural networks, A&Ns, are the core engine of all so-called artificial intelligence algorithms, and

1:47.0

we will get into the nuts and bolts of how they work a bit later in this talk.

1:50.0

At the outset, though, it's important to note that it's standard practice in the tech industry

1:57.0

to treat the process of how a neural network develops an output as though it's a black box that you don't see into it, you don't worry about the process, you just look at what you put in and what you get out.

2:13.6

This black box approach has led many computer scientists to appraise artificial intelligence or machine learning.

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