This project, he and Sydney, are grappling with a passage from John.

The passage relates to judgment.

They come up against a question.

It's a question that animated some of the very people that we cited before in the podcast

here. These people who had, how could God be just and blank? For them, reference to multiple judgments

and multiple resurrections in John led them to this instinct that heaven must mean more than one thing.

It can't be as simple as we've been led to believe, this stark dualism of judgment.

Saved or damned, end of the story.

It doesn't work. That heaven must be bigger and broader,

is their instinct. As they meditate upon this, verse 19, they've got a question. They're reading

actively. They sit with their question.

They're meditating on it as a beautiful kind of class on this, right?

They come across something they don't understand.

It doesn't make sense.

Their instinct is this can't be what I thought it was.

This doesn't add up for me.

That is not destructive tension for them. That is productive,

revelatory tension for them. They meditate on it. And in verse 19, the Lord touches the eyes of

their understanding. They're enveloped in divine glory. If you wanted to have a cross-reference

for that, that would be Firstst Nephi 11 verse 1.

Nephi has his incredible vision.

It begins with, I desire to know the things that my father had seen, believing that the Lord

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