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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Do You Have What It Takes To Be Polyamorous? Diana Fleischman on Sex, Jealousy, Emotional Discipline, and Why We Behave The Way We Do

The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Meghan Daum

Society & Culture

4.7855 Ratings

🗓️ 19 June 2023

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

This week, Meghan welcomes evolutionary psychologist Diana Fleischman. Diana's areas of research include human sexuality, the effect of hormones on behavior, and how "disgust" (the condition of being disgusted) is an evolutionary adaptation, especially for women. In this conversation, Diana talks about why the field of evolutionary psychology is subject to such much bad-faith misapplication but why uncomfortable truths about human mating patterns can nonetheless offer important lessons. She and Meghan explore the relationship between female social hierarchies and cancel culture (for instance, do women control cancel culture?) and then get into a deep discussion about polyamory. What does it really mean? What does it take to make it work? And how come most people just don't have the emotional discipline to succeed at it.

 

For the bonus portion for paying subscribers, Diana talks about how her younger self would feel about her current self, why she's a transhumanist, what's stopping the world from embracing "clean meat," why she donated her eggs several years ago and wrote letters to her future genetic offspring, and whether she'd pick herself out of a genetic lineup of embryos. If you're not yet a paying subscriber, go to meghandaum.substack.com to hear this part of the conversation.



Guest Bio:

Diana Fleischman is an evolutionary psychologist and writer.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the unspeakable podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. My guest is evolutionary psychologist Diana Fleishman.

0:11.0

Diana's areas of research include human sexuality, the effect of hormones on behavior, and how disgust, that is, the condition of being disgusted, is an evolutionary adaptation,

0:22.7

especially for women. For nearly a decade, she was a lecturer at the University of Portsmouth in

0:27.9

England, and today Diana is a bit of a dissident academic. She's not affiliated with any

0:33.7

institution, and she's going to talk about why that is, as well as why the field of

0:38.2

evolutionary psychology is so often maligned, misunderstood, and misapplied. We go deep into the

0:45.2

relationship between female social hierarchies and cancel culture. I ask a question I frequently

0:51.2

ask, and that is whether cancel culture, however, defined is actually

0:55.6

run by women. She has some interesting things to say about that. And if that's not enough,

1:00.5

about halfway through, we get into a deep discussion about polyamory, what it really means,

1:06.2

what it takes to make it work, and why most people just don't have the emotional discipline

1:10.5

to succeed at it. Sorry to break it to you. For most people just don't have the emotional discipline to succeed at it.

1:12.1

Sorry to break it to you. For the bonus portion for paying subscribers, Diana stays overtime and

1:17.6

talks about how her younger self would feel about her current self, why she's a transhumanist,

1:23.2

and why she donated her eggs several years ago, and wrote letters to her future genetic offspring.

1:29.6

If you're not yet a paying subscriber, you're going to want to become one right now.

1:33.5

So go to megan-downm.substack.com.

1:36.2

And in the meantime, here is the main part of my conversation with Diana Fleischman.

1:43.1

Diana Fleischman, welcome to The Unspeakable.

1:46.0

Hey, thanks for having me.

1:47.3

I want to talk about lots of things.

1:49.8

I want to talk about your field, evolutionary psychology, and why it's routinely dismissed

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