Do We Still Need Poptimism? (with Vulture's Jason P. Frank)
Pop Pantheon
DJ Louie XIV
4.7 • 630 Ratings
🗓️ 9 March 2023
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Vulture's Jason P. Frank joins DJ Louie to discuss the idea of "Poptimism", or the movement in musical critical discourse during the mid 2000s and 2010s that allowed for pop music to be taken seriously as art. Jason and Louie discuss the circumstances that created Poptimism, how it disseminated through discourse over the last twenty years, the major albums, songs and artists that calcified the term, and how it's perhaps become irrelevant in the modern pop landscape.
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