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Do we get the leaders we deserve? | Live at the Cambridge Literary Festival

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🗓️ 3 May 2022

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Anoosh Chakelian chairs a special episode of the New Statesman Podcast, recorded live at the Cambridge Literary Festival. 


In recent years, Britain has witnessed the unlawful prorogation of parliament; debacles in the management of public health, education and immigration; and scandals of cronyism, incompetence and sleaze. How has the cultural and political debate become so degraded? Can such failures of leadership be traced back to an unwritten constitution and a political system that rewards ambition over integrity, or should voters, the media and others take the blame for not holding the powerful to account? Is the British electorate the helpless victim of a new breed of brazen post-truth politics? Or do we simply get the leaders we deserve?  


Speaking for the motion:


David Runciman – a professor of politics at Cambridge University and the author of several books, including How Democracy Ends.

 

Stephen Bush – a political columnist and associate editor at the Financial Times, and the former political editor at the New Statesman.


Hannah White – deputy director of the Institute for Government, and author of the recent book Held in Contempt: What’s Wrong with the House of Commons?


Speaking against the motion:

 

Billy Bragg – singer-songwriter and activist whose most recent book is The Three Dimensions of Freedom.

 

Dr Rachel Clarke – a NHS palliative care doctor and best-selling author whose books include Dear Life and Breathtaking.

 

Lucy Nethsingha – a British Liberal Democrat politician, member of Cambridgeshire County Council since 2009. She was a member of the European Parliament (MEP) for the east of England from 2019 until the UK’s withdrawal from the EU in 2020. She was chair of the European Parliament’s Committee on Legal Affairs.

 

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0:00.0

Hello everyone and thank you so much for coming and to everyone dialing in at home to the

0:27.4

New Statesman debate. Now a staple of the Cambridge Literary Festival calendar whose themes seem

0:32.0

to be getting more and more pressing, or perhaps depressing each year. I'm Anouche

0:36.9

Shekelian, Britain editor of the New Statesman, and I'll be chairing today's debate. Today our

0:41.3

teams will be debating the particularly timely motion. This house believes that we get the leaders

0:46.4

we deserve. In recent years we've witnessed the unlawful propagation of parliament. The government

0:51.9

insisting it would only be breaking international law in a specific and limited way. Try that one

0:56.9

at the local police station. Public health and education debacles, rouse over immigration,

1:02.3

scandals of cronism, wasteful spending and sleaze. And now I can add illegal parties to that list

1:07.8

as well. A list that may get longer as we sit here in the chamber today. But can such failures

1:13.2

be traced back to the way our democracy works? An unwritten constitution, a political system that

1:18.3

rewards ambition over integrity, leaves politicians unchecked, and also voters and the media and others

1:25.4

take the blame for not holding the powerful to account. Is the British electorate the helpless

1:30.3

victim of a breed of brazen post-truth politicians? Or do we simply get the leaders we deserve?

1:36.7

Now putting forward the case for the proposition, I'm delighted to be joined by Steven Bush,

1:42.8

political commentator and associate editor at the Financial Times and former political editor

1:47.6

of the New Statesman. David Runseman, professor of politics at Cambridge University and the author

1:53.4

of several books including How Democracy Ends and Hannah White, deputy director of the institute

1:59.2

for government who's worked in the cabinet office and the House of Commons and whose new book is

2:02.9

called Held in Content, What's Wrong with the House of Commons. And making the case for the opposition,

2:08.2

we have Billy Bragg, the singer-songwriter and activist whose most recent book is The Three Dimensions

2:13.7

of Freedom, Dr. Rachel Clark, an NHS palliative care doctor and best-selling author whose books

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