Social media is full of warnings about narcissists. People describe them as toxic and manipulative,

and in some cases, downright dangerous to those in their orbit, and they certainly can be. But what about

narcissists who admit they have a problem and are trying to do something about it? From KERA in

Dallas, this is think. I'm Chris Boyd. Narcissistic personality disorder has been officially listed

as a mental illness in the DSM for 45 years, characterized by symptoms

including low empathy, an inflated sense of self-importance and an unreasonable need for admiration.

Those qualities don't sound easy to live with if there is a narcissist in your life.

But my guest has discovered that some people who have been officially diagnosed with NPD are making the case that they deserve compassion,

some recognition that it's also not easy to live with this condition and not impossible to change their behavior if they seek treatment.

Nick Kepler is a freelance writer. You can find his article, narcissists aren't really so bad.

Just ask these narcissists at Slate.

Nick, welcome to think.

Yeah, thank you, Chris.

Thank you for having me.

So you built this article around a guy named Lee Hammock,

who has built a large following as a narcissism influencer.

What kind of content has he produced about this so lee is on

tic-tok and he is on youtube and all the major video apps he does a lot of videos that are like

conversations with a narcissist where he plays both sides and sort of pokes fun at the way that

narcissists will misinterpret a question or not hear someone

or blame someone for a minor flaw. But I mean, behind the humor, he is trying to, you know,

talk about narcissistic personality disorder in a more realistic way. He is, you know, a married father of three. He's 40. He lives in

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