I want to restore the value of rights and rituals in the Christian faith, because it's the rights, rituals, and practices that then buttress.

They reinforce that initial act of faith. You don't have to create an emotional experience.

God works through baptism. He works through communion. He works through corporate worship.

He gave us these things and said, I'm going to use this stuff.

Hey, friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology and around my guest today is Dr. Isaac Serrano, who serves as lead pastor of South Valley Community Church in California.

He is also an adjunct professor at Western Seminary in Oregon and on the leadership team for the

regeneration project. He's also the author of the recently released book, When Life Feels Empty,

Seven Practices to Cultivate Meaning put out by InterVarsity Press, which forms the backdrop for

our conversation, though we do, as as always chase a few shiny objects which

have to do with singing and church and yeah you'll just have to see how that goes please

welcome to the show for the first time the one and only dr isaac strong isaac sarano

so good to have you on the podcast man uh It's been several years since I was on yours.

So it took me a few years to invite you on my show, man.

Yeah, that actually took place in the before time, before COVID, before things shut down.

And what's interesting, just a quick story, you just double check to hit record to make

sure this was recording.

And we had just started then, Jay Kim and I, who you know, the Regeneration Project

podcast.

And we're like just barely into it.

It's like 2018.

And we invited you on.

And you agreed. And it was like, dude, Preston Sprinkles is going to come on. It's kind of like a big deal. And we got our little board, and we're just trying to get things going in about 20 minutes into the conversation, maybe 30. And it was going, it was going, dude, our podcast is going to be cool, dude. Like, this is actually a good conversation. Jay Kim looks over at me.

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