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I'm John Bachelor with Professor Sean McMeekin at Bard College, his new book

of Stalin's War.

A new history of World War II, how what we regard as the Second World War

was a product of Stalin's manipulation and cold-bloodedness.

We come now to May 3rd, 1939. Hitler is a threat to all of Europe everywhere. He's a

threat to Stalin as well. However, Stalin means to convince Hitler that they can work together in some fantastic way.

Itiologically it doesn't work, but bloody-mindedness in both Hitler and Stalin.

May 3rd, 1939, the NKVD, aka the KGB,

State Security, surrounds the foreign ministry, arresting the foreign minister himself

Lidfinov and all of his staff who are Jewish.

Molotov, the gangster, a colleague of Stolons from signing death warrants during the great purges of the 30s and they will continue.

Becomes the new foreign representatives of Stolland to Hitler.

Sean, why did they arrest Lippinoff he'd been an he and accomplished Bolshevik all these years?

Well he had been certainly useful for a time being when it came to things like public relations.

In part because he was Jewish and he was abused for being Jewish and these kind of Nazi

propaganda caricatures and he had come to seem the face of you might say the more respectable

uh... soviet foreign policy image that is that the soviet's were anti-fascist

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