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Money For the Rest of Us

Dissecting Stock Returns: Financial Engineering or Genuine Growth?

Money For the Rest of Us

J. David Stein

Investing, Investing Podcast, Business, Economics, Economy

4.5 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 6 December 2023

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Do the impressive returns in public and private markets stem from strategic financial engineering or reflect actual economic growth?

  • How corporate profit growth is linked to economic growth, even though corporate profits are more volatile
  • How interest rates, tax rates, and stock buybacks influence corporate profits and stock returns
  • Why there are fewer publicly traded stocks
  • How the increase in leveraged buyouts has impacted the economy
  • How private equity funds use financial engineering to boost returns


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Show Notes

US CEOs start to contemplate Trump, round 2 by Rana Foroohar—The Financial Times

End of an Era: The Coming Long-Run Slowdown in Corporate Profit Growth and Stock Returns by Michael Smolyansky—The Federal Reserve

10-Year Stock Market Returns—Crestmont Research

Stock Average—Crestmont Research

Stock EPS Reality—Crestmont Research

What Matters More for Emerging Markets Investors: Economic Growth or EPS Growth? by Jason Hsu Jay Ritter Phillip Wool Yanxiang Zhao—Portfolio Management Research

Nominal Gross Domestic Product for United States—FRED Economic Data

The Secretive Industry Devouring the U.S. Economy by Rogé Karma—The Atlantic

Key Drivers Behind Widespread Adoption Of NAV Financing by Matthew K Kerfoot—Proskauer

The Inevitable Rise of NAV Financing by Patricia Teixeira and Anastasia Kaup—Ropes & Gray

HAVE EXCHANGE-LISTED FIRMS BECOME LESS IMPORTANT FOR THE ECONOMY? by Frederik P. Schlingemann and René M. Stulz—NBER

LBOs Make (More) Companies Go Bankrupt, Research Shows by Alicia McElhaney—Institutional Investor

Leveraged buyouts and financial distress by Brian Ayash and Mahdi Rastad—ScienceDirect


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0:00.0

Welcome to Money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance show on money, how it works, how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it.

0:10.0

I'm your host David Stein. Today is episode 458. It's titled

0:14.0

Dissecting Stock Returns Financial Engineering or Genuine Growth. I recently

0:20.0

read an article by column columnist and associate editor of the Financial Times,

0:26.5

Rana Faruhr. She used a phrase I hadn't seen before,

0:31.9

financialized growth.

0:34.2

We've discussed financialization in the past,

0:37.0

which is the increasing role of financial motives

0:40.8

and markets, financial actors in

0:43.7

domestic and international economies and that's from a definitions from

0:48.7

Gerald Epstein but I hadn't really put that word financialization with the word growth.

0:55.0

Haruhar referenced a paper that came out last summer by principal economist at the Federal Reserve, Michael Smoyanksky.

1:05.0

The papers titled The End of an Era,

1:08.0

the coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns.

1:13.6

He's predicting stock returns are going to be lower

1:17.4

because the returns were boosted

1:20.3

by an element of financialization, namely lower tax rates and lower interest rates.

1:27.8

And we'll take a look to see, is that financialized growth?

1:32.0

If the growth, in this case corporate profits was due to lower

1:36.3

interest rates or lower tax rates. In the paper Smoyangsee writes from from 1989 to 2019, the S&P 500 Index grew at an impressive real

1:48.1

rate of 5.5% per year, excluding dividends. During the same period, the U.S. economy grew at a real

1:56.8

GDP growth rate, GDP being in the measure of the value that output produced, it grew at 2.5% per year.

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