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This is CB as I in the world.

I'm John Datsuo with Victory Davis Hanson, Professor, Classicist, Stanford University,

Hoover Institution, the author of The Dying Citizen.

Victor wrote this book, as he says in a footnote, between 2018 and 2020,

just as the pandemic was striking and then he updated it as best he could in 21.

We know a little, we know a deal more about the pandemic now.

And Victor, you're careful in your epilogue to say, as of 2021, the pandemic set back all of these challenges,

the middle class, the borders, certainly, and leaning towards tribalism.

Certainly, the unelected were empowered, empowered during the pandemic.

And then we come to the globalization, the changing of the constitution,

the nullifying of pieces of the constitution, such as keeping public order in cities

during the troubles of the summer of 2020.

I was in New York, Victor, right next to Macy's, I saw it.

I walked through it, you understand, the disruption.

It was the pandemic that did this.

And then the globalization today, after the pandemic, we can't settle.

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