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I'm John Bapser speaking with Victor Davis-Hanson, his new book is The Dying Citizen.

America's success is built on the middle classes and the middle classes success is built on the constitution of our founders for more than 200 years providing adequate checks and balances.

The constitution, however, is our pieces that are under review or under pressure by voices here in the 21st century.

Nullification, Andrew Jackson. We all learn this in grade school.

Andrew Jackson, 1832, the Civil War, 1857, 1861.

Two instances of states, South Carolina with Jackson, and the Confederacy with the Dred Scott to the succession of late 60 early 61 leading to the Civil War.

And then there was the nullification or attempted nullification during the 50s and 60s in the civil rights stripe in the South.

But now we've come to nullification today. Victor, I can't find anywhere a serious argument for sanctuary cities now that they're sagging under the overwhelming number.

Of immigrants who are arriving, the sanctuary city suddenly want money from the central state. Are they rethinking this sanctuary virtue of these last years?

I think they are a little bit. There's 550 counties state or municipal sanctuary cities and that's just a new feminism for nullification of federal immigration law where it says that if somebody is here illegally and commits a crime,

we're not going to turn that person over to the immigration services. But lately cases in San Francisco where people here on lawfully have committed murder or child pornography or something of that nature have been so odious that even the left wing governance of San Francisco has said, wait, we want to make an exception to sanctuary cities.

And the thing to remember about John very quickly is it's very asymmetrical. So that we have a whole corpus of federal legislation. But if a conservative community in Wyoming says, I don't think we want federal gun handgun registration.

So you can just come in and buy a handgun. The day you you purchase it and take it home or if somebody said, you know, and I don't know.

Alabama, we just don't feel that a Supreme Court ruling on abortion or anything applies to us. So we're just going to put somebody in jail on a state law.

In other words, it opens up a whole count of worms that people on the conservative side can say, you know what, there's a lot of federal legislation that we don't like.

We do not like some of the craziness of the endangered species act. So if you're in Montana and you're building a home and you crush a little three-spotted lizard, go ahead and do it, even if it's on the endangered.

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