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Plain English with Derek Thompson

Disney’s Downfall: The Rise and Fall of an Entertainment Giant

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.81.8K Ratings

🗓️ 3 October 2023

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Hollywood has been decimated by the rise of streaming. At Disney, Warner Bros. Discovery, Paramount, and Sony, profits on TV, film, and streaming went from $23 billion in 2013 to about zero in 2023. Nothing tells this story more clearly than a brief history of Disney. In the early 2000s, Disney under CEO Bob Iger went on one of the most extraordinary runs in modern business history. ESPN was the most valuable network in the cable bundle. They acquired Pixar, Marvel, LucasFilms, and Fox. As the company shifted to streaming, it seemed set up to lap Netflix and eat the box office at the same time. But today, Disney’s stock is at a nine-year low. Operating margins are down 75 percent. Disney+ lost $4 billion last year. What happened to America’s greatest entertainment company? To discuss, we have two great guests: Julia Alexander, director of strategy for Parrot Analytics and a writer with Puck News, and Matthew Ball, a writer and investor and author of the book ‘The Metaverse.’ If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at [email protected]. Host: Derek Thompson Guests: Matthew Ball & Julia Alexander Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Today's episode is about the miserable state of the media and entertainment business

1:33.2

with a special look at the last 20 years of the Walt Disney company. We are, I think, hopefully

1:40.4

in the final chapter of the strikes that have brought Hollywood to a standstill.

1:45.0

I hope the writers get higher pay. I hope non-alist actors get higher pay. I hope that the richest

1:50.4

of Hollywood helped to make life a little easier for the folks in this business who aren't stars.

1:55.6

But I also think that zooming out of the labor strikes because this podcast is not about the strikes

2:00.8

themselves. If we're looking at the big picture, the strikes are only a small part of the crisis

2:08.2

that hasn't flamed entertainment. The writers are rightfully fighting over their slice of the pie.

2:15.9

But the biggest story in this industry is about the size of that pie. And it's getting smaller.

2:23.6

As I said in a podcast in this topic a few weeks ago, total profits in Hollywood have been

2:28.9

decimated by the rise of streaming as the cost of building direct to consumer businesses rose

2:35.4

and talking about, you know, your Disney Plus and your Max and the number of original

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