Dr Jackson Katz, welcome back to I-Way. How are you?

I'm great, Jamila. It's great to be back with you.

Jackson, since the last time we spoke, you and I were talking about men's violence

against women. We were talking about the fact that it was an epidemic. We were talking about a

problem in the language around the way we'd discuss men's violence against women specifically.

It felt like we were at a peak of how hostile the relations were between men and women. And yet in the years since then,

am I overreacting if I say that things feel like they've gotten significantly worse and at

like an unprecedented speed? You know, it's a good question. I think it's complicated. I think there's ways of

looking at the complexities of social change and social interactions such that you can make the case

that, yes, things have gotten harsher. The monosphere, the online manosphere has gotten more

overtly misogynist, and I think it's become much more mainstream than it was

even the last time you and I spoke. And, you know, the recent re-election of Donald Trump is an example

of just there's been a significant amount of backsliding and backlash towards, you know,

by, frankly, by men towards women's progress.

And I think that there has been an acceleration to a certain extent in the boldness that some

misogynist men, you know, feel towards, you know, expressing some misogynist views,

whether it's online or interpersonally or whatever other way.

But in the flip side is that the reason

for the backlash is that women have made so much progress and men and others. In other words,

in challenging and pushing back against thousands of years of patriarchal subjugation, if you will.

Like the Barbie movie came out, for example, after you and I spoke,

and the Barbie movie got an enormous worldwide energy that it sort of tapped into. And again,

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